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oh boy

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what's up guys so this is like the after

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after party show right here that was a

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lot

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i just wanted to see if anybody wanted

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to hang out for a second

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i was on some uh different

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software there as mentioned not what i

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was normally doing

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sunny is in the background here looks

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like maybe i'll bring him on in and i'm

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trying to use and hey ansley what's up

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what's shaking i want to give people an

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option if they'd like they don't have to

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to maybe come on and chat for a second

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about anything obviously tonight we

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talked flat earth

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um i know not everybody was happy about

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that and that's okay guys i i i'm the

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kind of guy like i said and i told dave

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this backstage before we started i said

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someone came up to me and said guess

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what

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we're all made out from the waist down

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of

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we're all shrimp we're wall hamsters i

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don't care what it was it could be

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something so outlandish

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and i would sit down and be like give me

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your position i just want to know

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so

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for anybody that's in here

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i don't know how do you feel about that

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first of all i had a hard time keeping

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up with the chat because honestly the

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chat was on fire what'd you think sonny

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yeah

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that was good man

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yeah i i said something in chat too like

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hey i don't agree with him i love that

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guy dude he's a good guest it

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he makes good points see what i asked

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you to ask him about the windows

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he he he had an explanation for that and

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it made sense because i wasn't up high

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enough that i should have seen the

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curvature of the earth but i could see

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the curvature of the earth

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so if he's saying i was just seeing far

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and that's how it looked then

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he has the point

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like i said if anybody might be tuning

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in for the second this is just like an

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after show into the show if there's

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anybody wants to come in and and talk a

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little bit i'm not here to argue or

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fight but if you got any points or views

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that you think should be brought up this

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video would be right with that next

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video kind of same tag lines and stuff

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it'd be the same hashtag so maybe pop on

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if you'd like i don't know who this one

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is by the way this one it says my dudes

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you know what facebook user you are

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awesome my dudes i respect that i

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respect you my dude or facebook user

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and like i said um i'll also put the

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show link here in the man this can be

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risky sonny this can be risky i'm gonna

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put it in the chat guys oh jesus i just

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sent it out to every single thing i

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guess all right guys i'll change that up

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in a second i forgot this new thing

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we're like streaming to all of them now

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so like when i click one thing it sends

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it to all of them at once tammy i agree

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holy moly i was late but i i will

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re-watch it all yeah it was a lot tammy

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big shout out to uh

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chad for wrench

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dude i don't know how much i fell behind

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on it had been bad

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i didn't see one bad thing in chat so

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chad must have been all over it if there

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was some bad i've seen him deleting some

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the facebook user once again says whoa

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it doesn't say my name i can use this to

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my advantage yes you can

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yes you very much so ken

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but yeah guys i only got about i'm gonna

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give her like 20 minutes i gotta get to

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bed i got work which is a good thing

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can't complain about that i'm happy to

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have work very excited about it but i

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figured if anybody up so it's sunny your

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position obviously you 100 last we

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round globe ball what did did you bring

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up any questions that made you curious

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tonight are you still pretty much like

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yeah i respect them but i don't agree

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you remember when i told you i was

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but man did he look familiar he might

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have been on this program that i watched

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okay they took a board

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and they painted on the board it was

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let's say like a sheet rock size wall so

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eight by four board yeah and they long

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center one and then it kept going you

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know until all the lines were were gone

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line but that video he had planned

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behind him of the sailboat

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you could not see that sailboat and when

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the sailboat looked like it was coming

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horizon he stuck his arm right in front

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of the video and that was just going

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back down so i didn't get to see it but

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i did get to see it zoom in and that

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sailboat didn't just look like it was

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appearing it looked like it was

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because we talked about that before

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where i told you they have some cameras

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now where you can zoom in and they say

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and like i said for me there's

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it raises some questions based on i know

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tony if you're watching right now i

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totally missed your text i apologize i

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had like four screens it was weird how i

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keeping up with the chat and i totally

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missed your text about asking what he

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thinks the sun is or how it works um so

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those questions i try to keep it simple

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to one thing why can we see so far i

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why we can see so far i want the

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refraction

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of the atmosphere explained to me a

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little better and i'm not saying that

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i'm sold 100 of flat earth

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but i i think there's question what i

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oh what's happening we're let's bring in

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uh we got chris holm here we'll bring

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him hand brother

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yeah welcome to the after show what's

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happening hey what's up guys

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how's it going chris

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i thought it was an all-right show i

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mean i only cast the i don't hop the ass

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end but hopefully i could catch like the

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rest of it later i mean i

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i mean i've seen episodes of where you

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know dave goes on like the kill stream

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he gets destroyed and then he'll go on

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the dick show and he gets completely

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destroyed there i mean there are like

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minor things here and there but my deal

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is more of the the argument of you know

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can we debate it

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and and that that's more where i'm

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coming from and i know that you and me

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uh will we talked about that when i came

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on your show the first time yeah

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and that that is all i want to see

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because i recognize my own ignorance

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guys i'm not i'm not a i'm not an astro

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a physicist i'm not i'm not someone

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who's just rock solid in science and

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understanding

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the relationship of the atmosphere and

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the layers and how it all breaks down

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areas should be willing to come forward

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and debate someone or have the

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conversation with someone like david

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weiss and and help all of us understand

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it a little better that's just my

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opinion and a lot of people say

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well you just shouldn't understand that

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the world is wrong that's the way it is

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and they'll give a couple reasons but

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then he brings up some points and you're

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you know everybody throws up points that

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someone doesn't have the answer to and

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it's like why can't we just sit down and

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talk about it

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that was really my goal for tonight that

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was yeah there's a lot of conversations

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yeah there's a lot of what i call moving

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the goal post when you start getting

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close enough then you suddenly like move

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the goal post you shift it back

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and and i kind of get like i mean it's

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it's in every single debate you're going

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to see that happen where when you have

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skeptic versus believer it's going to be

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where the the when the believer like

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when they start to lose ground then

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they'll suddenly pull back like the the

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acid ion exp um

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argument of well if you don't believe

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aliens are visiting us then you don't

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believe alien life exists in the

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universe ever which is a strong straw

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man argument that sort of presented to

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the opposing view

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you know from one camp you know just as

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a way to sort of you know deflate their

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argument when that's not even the

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argument being made it's sort of making

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an argument that's besides the point

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i'm i'm sure i see that happen a lot in

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flat earth of you know intentionally

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moving the goalpost throwing accusations

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of well if you can't give me ground on

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this then therefore i'm gonna pull that

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the rug out from under you completely

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type of argument and that that's just

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something that's just a sort of debating

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uh form that i

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it really irks me when i see it in these

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types of shows

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agreed

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uh now now if it's okay to ask uh chris

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i know that i put out that little poll

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before and i asked people you know where

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you have with it and you answered that

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you were flat earther now are you doing

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it just just to poke the bear a little

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bit is that something that you kind of

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subscribe to yourself

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well i mean i i respect the flat earth

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debate

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you know as the ma

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as the merit of you know i love

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conversation debate and argument

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but you know i mean i i'm i'm closer to

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the more the globe model i i guess i'm

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more of a globetrotter for me it works

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out

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because i i just it's just a it's just

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as a creative person it's a more open

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model

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for science fiction and stuff like that

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but i do recognize that there is

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i feel that there is some merit in the

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argument that some of the flat earth

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people do present which is why when i'm

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always whenever i always talk to you

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about how

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well outright proving it is like

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absolutely

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impossible to the average person

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you know working a nine-to-five job

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because we would have to get to a height

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that you know that no conventional craft

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can get you can't buy a ticket to go and

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see the earth even though they showed us

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like uh william shatner doing that type

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of stuff

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i mean william he didn't have a camera

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that was going from the beginning of the

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launch of the the end of the launch

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you know running 24 7. you know it was

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just the highlight wheels reels and so

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long as we get highlight reels there

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will always be questions

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yes now first for you sunny did it bring

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up because like i said before you told

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me you're like listen speaking of space

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guys let's let's throw up a space

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background here here we go speak but you

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said that you you were never into that

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right like that wasn't that wasn't one

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for you did this did he bring up

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anything that you think you're gonna

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take time to look at a little more

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tonight 509 by the way i did put a link

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if you'd like to hop in for a couple

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minutes i have about 10 minutes for i'm

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going to get out of here but did he

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bring up anything that you think you

327
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want to look into a little more

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yeah like i told you that camera that

329
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camera shot man

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it's like that but it came out of

331
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nowhere i got to look up some more stuff

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like that i i got to see how far we can

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see

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because

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yeah that was pretty that was decent man

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that was nice

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that that was something i didn't think

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you'd see that boat there's i would have

339
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told you there's no way you're gonna see

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that boat without climbing up on a

341
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mountain and doing that shot

342
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but they did that from the shore

343
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that's what was impressive

344
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well this is what chad's bringing up

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he's saying even if it wasn't

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even if it was uninterrupted footage

347
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there's always an answer to dismiss it

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they'll say it is fisheye lens

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and

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but i mean that's where like ben messing

351
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around with different lenses and stuff

352
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that stuff does matter it is

353
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warping the perception it's warping the

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reality in some sense it's giving you

355
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literally a lens to look through so i

356
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think the lens is very important um and

357
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that's kind of what you and i hit on

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that time sunny about the convex lens

359
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versus you know using now uh

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maybe i'm did i read that wrong is a

361
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fish eyes len is that supposed to be

362
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standard where there's no curve or bend

363
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to it is that is that correct

364
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well i thought it had a band a fisheye

365
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lens dude you guys know that cameras can

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have more than one lens and you can have

367
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more than one camera

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i mean that that whole well those such

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and such as a lens yeah that that that's

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a cut that's a that's a cut if you're

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switching to a different lens i mean

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you can have different we have the

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technology to have a

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different type of that we can have an

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adequate setup

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you know i mean i'm not trying to be

377
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completely dismissive

378
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but it's just the sort of thing is that

379
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is it that sort of that you know well

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you're putting a a limitation on

381
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something that clearly we have a

382
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workaround on

383
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yeah

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no it it but that's i guess that's part

385
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of the um sorry i'm just messing with

386
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some of these ones i had the background

387
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i have never checked them all out so

388
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the um

389
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with with the lens stuff though i guess

390
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that you kind of almost have to do

391
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you're going back to what you talked

392
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about like there's a limitation on what

393
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you the individual can do i mean he went

394
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about a 900 camera i don't think that

395
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everybody's out there willing to just go

396
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buy a 900 camera just to see if indeed

397
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can you see too far

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and if you can if there is an actual

399
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answer because i know it might seem

400
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silly but i can see how refraction or

401
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lighting of the moisture could project

402
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an image

403
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all right now i don't understand

404
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everything to it

405
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but if they were to explain it to me

406
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like i was five

407
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maybe i would grasp it how we could you

408
00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,639
know mirage almost works in a sense like

409
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that where you're seeing something that

410
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isn't there so

411
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in that sense is that what we're seeing

412
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is that why we're seeing so far out

413
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well

414
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a mirage is a reflection

415
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all right so what is it a reflecting

416
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then that would establish that there was

417
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oh but there would be something out

418
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there for it to reflect off of

419
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now when we see the mirages in the

420
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desert there's like basically it's

421
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reflecting the the

422
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um the the the sky above so that's why

423
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it looks like water

424
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because of the ripple of the the air

425
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:35,519
uh being manipulated by the heat and all

426
00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:38,079
that [\h__\h] but the thing is is that with

427
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with that force that that reflection

428
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reflection whatever the hell it is that

429
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:42,399
you call it

430
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it's

431
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we're even seeing anything out there

432
00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:48,880
that i think is sort of you know we

433
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,880
should we should focus on on you know

434
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:52,639
why are we even seeing anything out

435
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:54,880
there when we shouldn't technically be

436
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:56,320
seeing anything

437
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since you know uh atmospheric

438
00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:00,720
density or whatever the hell it is

439
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,320
whatever that should be obstructing our

440
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:04,480
view why isn't our view as obstructed as

441
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it should be as we're told

442
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,000
that's my big thing is like i said for

443
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that and then the gravity thing which i

444
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:13,680
mean

445
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i think there's something to

446
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,920
even history which you can look at on

447
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,079
wikipedia google which we could say is a

448
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,920
bit you know censored

449
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:24,480
um that shows people that were making

450
00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:26,800
basically essentially anti-gravity

451
00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:29,600
crafts using electromagnetic

452
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:31,600
field and either a positive or negative

453
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,560
charge

454
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to make things work

455
00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:35,920
so i do have questions about that we

456
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,279
didn't even get into other stuff like

457
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,560
the fact that he thinks there's no

458
00:15:41,749 --> 00:15:40,320
satellites there's there's never been

459
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,759
any how about did sonny were you in

460
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,360
there and he said there's there's uh

461
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:45,120
nuclear bombs aren't real that's never

462
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:49,670
yeah

463
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:51,440
is that a lie i think i'm pretty sure

464
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:52,720
those are real

465
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:54,240
well one of the things one of the things

466
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,839
that i do feel is a good argument and

467
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,199
i'll bring this up

468
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,600
is the we have the iss the international

469
00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:01,600
space station and with all the space

470
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,920
junk from 1980 you know every single

471
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,519
cable channel launched the satellite

472
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,000
into there why isn't the why isn't this

473
00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:10,880
guy's full chock full of space junk all

474
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,000
over the place

475
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:14,639
and that stuff doesn't always fall down

476
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,560
you know i mean those guys should have

477
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,240
you know nuts and bolts exploding

478
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through their throats every single

479
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minute

480
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and and it's like if it's as congested

481
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,279
as we're told that it is

482
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:27,600
and the thing is is i know i think there

483
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,519
was some footage of like a satellite

484
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:32,000
hitting one of the iss things and i i

485
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,600
don't know if it was a dramatic

486
00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:36,320
recreation or if it was any i i don't

487
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,959
know what that what was this because i

488
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:40,320
saw it you know casually flipping

489
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:42,320
through spacebook facebook is like oh

490
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,920
man that looks fake as [\h__\h]

491
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:45,920
and then and then it's it's just one of

492
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,480
those those you know things is that

493
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,720
you know we should we could track the

494
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:53,519
the freaking black knight satellite

495
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:56,560
yet somehow you know we know

496
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,040
it's always clear skies whatever the iss

497
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:01,040
is up and about and stuff like that and

498
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,800
and it's just one of those those things

499
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,120
that you know i mean again i i'm still a

500
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,600
globe [\h__\h] i haven't given that up

501
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,199
but these are still questions that i'm

502
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,199
that i'm still asking like well why

503
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,760
isn't x y z and z

504
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:15,679
and such

505
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,880
yeah and that's kind of one of the

506
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:18,559
questions that anne's asking here she

507
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,679
said she missed

508
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,360
she said wait i missed a bunch but if he

509
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:22,959
thinks the earth is flat

510
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,640
then does he think all the other planets

511
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:26,480
are flat as well what about the moon and

512
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,839
the sun and the stars you'd have to go

513
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,280
back and watch a little bit he did hit

514
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,280
on that and far's perspective i even

515
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,880
showed a little video he had like four

516
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,000
things lined up he's like hey is it

517
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,760
round is it flat what do you think

518
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,280
and i agree with that he agrees that you

519
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,880
should never look at

520
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,799
you know he uses lights saying you

521
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,760
shouldn't look at the lights to judge

522
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,919
your floor there's truth in that but you

523
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,200
know that people used to look at the

524
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,640
water on the ground

525
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:48,480
different aztec cultures and stuff to

526
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,840
lay out the map system so they didn't

527
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:51,039
have to stare at the sun they would use

528
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:52,640
it just reflect down

529
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:53,520
um

530
00:18:12,070 --> 00:17:54,400
i

531
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and

532
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,679
what he believes in is what he believes

533
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:15,120
in now i i don't think he could ever be

534
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,150
go ahead sonny yeah jump in any time

535
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,549
you know the video that i just put and

536
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:26,880
did i put on ufo garage i put it on

537
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,679
paranormal chop shop group the video

538
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,760
that i took what was yesterday morning

539
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,240
thing going over the house and going

540
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,720
under the wire and yeah yeah okay

541
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,720
that was cool that was clearly something

542
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:40,840
in space you know that

543
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,000
so what i missed is if he explained

544
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,160
anything like that is why is that thing

545
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,760
floating over and what does it do just

546
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:50,080
turn around and come back or

547
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,679
how does it get back over there and come

548
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,240
back the same way if

549
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:56,480
that's what that was you know

550
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:57,280
correct me if i'm wrong because

551
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:58,960
sometimes when i'm doing the show and i

552
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,280
look back at stuff i'm always like crap

553
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,120
i miss somebody saying that or i hear

554
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:04,559
like i didn't quite understand the guess

555
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,280
and

556
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:07,360
whatever but i i could be wrong but

557
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,480
maybe i didn't formulate the question

558
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,559
very well but i was trying to ask him

559
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,400
because if i'm wrong i've heard him say

560
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,880
that that we can only go up 73 miles i

561
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,720
believe is what he thinks that the the

562
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,000
rough

563
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,400
roof could be the the firm of it

564
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,520
um

565
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,799
which i'm surprised didn't even bring

566
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,160
that i don't think he used that term

567
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:26,000
once tonight i was impressed

568
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,720
but

569
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,080
if that's the case i was trying to ask i

570
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,600
was like well if the sun is directly

571
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,520
over my head in michigan

572
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,919
and you're in texas and you're in part

573
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,440
of canada like if we split up those

574
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,039
three distances

575
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,360
how does the sun always look like it's

576
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:41,360
how are we all getting high noon

577
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:43,039
and i understand the rotation of like

578
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,480
the times and the seasons and all that

579
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,919
stuff but that's what i was trying to

580
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,600
ask is

581
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,160
how are we all getting high noon

582
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,799
if it on that flat model

583
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,480
the way it's rotating it'd only be high

584
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:56,240
noon at certain parts of the country and

585
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,440
i could be wrong did you guys notice

586
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:59,120
something else that he answered that

587
00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:00,160
what do you mean what are you talking

588
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,120
about

589
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,600
so cause we're all in if we were look at

590
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,120
that we're all in different time zones

591
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,120
so we'd be all getting a high noon at

592
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:09,280
noon i mean i don't get high noon at two

593
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,480
o'clock

594
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:12,000
that is fair that is fair i guess i

595
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,360
should pick someone at my same time so

596
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,120
sonny and i sonny's in florida i'm in

597
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,720
michigan yeah if we all look at it for

598
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,000
the time it's going to come off

599
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,480
different because you're in noon i'm two

600
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,559
o'clock you know um sonny wherever you

601
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,320
let's for this hypothetical let's say

602
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,720
you're you're five o'clock five p.m you

603
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,240
know we're all gonna see it at different

604
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,400
positions so i mean i i get kind of what

605
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,679
you're trying to say

606
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,760
but i think that's kind of uh we're

607
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,840
already poking holes in it type of thing

608
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,320
right and well i guess it was mainly for

609
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:40,000
how his model went up i guess that's

610
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,360
what i was trying to say is that he had

611
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,919
it rotating only one specific spot of

612
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,000
the united states or even he mentioned

613
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,000
like specific part of australia and i

614
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,520
was trying to say

615
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:51,120
that was one of my questions i guess and

616
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,240
i get if you're talking about how it's

617
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,760
spinning or you know i should do it this

618
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,360
way if it's spinning in that that

619
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,400
pattern

620
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,760
and i get what you're saying to the time

621
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:59,280
zones you're absolutely right i didn't

622
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,799
take that into account but i guess what

623
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,000
i'm saying is between michigan and

624
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,280
florida

625
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,880
if it looks like it's above my head in

626
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,039
michigan right above my head

627
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,360
does it look like it's right above

628
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,600
you know lewis's head as well

629
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,280
but then by that model

630
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,120
every single time we go into an airplane

631
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,640
we should be able to see the sun off

632
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,480
someplace in the distance

633
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,000
somewhere lighting up something

634
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,240
illuminating something and i think uh

635
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,360
what was i think uh i heard one argument

636
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,440
that well when the sun dips down you

637
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,679
know underneath the the

638
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,840
the firmament or the flat whatever the

639
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,200
hell it is to

640
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,120
when it when it's nighttime then should

641
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,200
the sun turn off for everybody

642
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,880
but it doesn't you know because we can

643
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,840
like

644
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,280
go up to a

645
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,840
thing in you know in africa and say hey

646
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,039
are you guys seeing the sun it's like

647
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,400
yeah we're seeing the sun well we're not

648
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:48,400
seeing it here type of thing so i i i

649
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,520
understand that

650
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,360
there's a bit of holes in there and

651
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:52,400
go ahead

652
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,520
sunny

653
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,080
yeah and also with alaska it never gets

654
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,679
dark there in the summertime and that's

655
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,360
because

656
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,640
we're spinning and that's where the

657
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,440
sun's at and yeah if it was flat they

658
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,440
would lose their sun if that sun had to

659
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,679
provide it for someone else you know i

660
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,520
mean if it i still don't understand how

661
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,200
he thinks the sun goes from one side to

662
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,360
the other eye

663
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,440
all right there's a lot to take in i

664
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,679
think that it to me if nothing else okay

665
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,200
gonna be honest with another thing i was

666
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,440
talking to ben about it uh off the air

667
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,720
one time we were saying i was like all

668
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,120
right so like aliens everybody's on

669
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,240
board with those right now right like

670
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,360
everybody's like yeah they're here

671
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,400
they're real

672
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,000
and i was like it's not edgy enough

673
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,440
anymore man i was like what's the next

674
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,440
thing and i was like flat earth's kind

675
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,520
of edgy like that's you know what i mean

676
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,799
i'm not saying just the idea that i'm

677
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,480
not interested in it

678
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,559
i am interested in what you brought up

679
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,000
chris which is i

680
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,000
love the

681
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,760
passion behind the argument and the

682
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,080
willingness to want to have

683
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,240
a very in-depth

684
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,559
conversation and defense of their own

685
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,679
position

686
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,559
and to be fair this is where i think the

687
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,000
science community or however you want a

688
00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:00,000
word has got to step up if these guys

689
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,360
are willing to have these sit downs

690
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,640
these interviews

691
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:05,200
step up what like that that's bothersome

692
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,400
to me right there i'll tell you that

693
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,080
right now the problem that they come up

694
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,880
with is all of our science targets are

695
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,559
are that they have well they're just

696
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,480
going to scream at me and bully me off

697
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,480
it's like well tough [\h__\h]

698
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,559
you got to stick up i mean just because

699
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,480
and it's that whole anti-bullying

700
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,720
[\h__\h] that's going through all of our

701
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,320
schools and stuff where it's like well

702
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,960
i'm afraid of of confrontation it's like

703
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,880
you you're taking a position and you're

704
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,360
not making an argument or defending it

705
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,200
and you're just dismissing and blocking

706
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,679
anyone that comes differently it's it's

707
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,320
like that's not a position of strength

708
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,919
you know if you want

709
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,919
people to rally behind you and all this

710
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,520
stuff um you have to show a position of

711
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,640
strength because why the [\h__\h] do do we

712
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:48,480
all listen to

713
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,799
and [\h__\h] like this because he's making

714
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,480
up everything from a position of

715
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,760
strength yeah he he's he's adult but

716
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,919
still i mean he's coming from a position

717
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,919
of strength on all this stuff and people

718
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,679
naturally riley behind that as much as

719
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,880
we want to

720
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,640
and and i'm going off off the rails and

721
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,320
as much as we want to dismiss you know

722
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,000
gender transformation whatever the hell

723
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,559
it is is it the thing is is that

724
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,440
we we respect that position we respect

725
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:16,880
you know someone who

726
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,240
who uh takes that that position and and

727
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,080
defends it adamantly and stuff like this

728
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,520
and with these scientists not willing to

729
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,720
go into it

730
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,159
i mean they're they're not going into it

731
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,760
because they're scared

732
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,120
you know they're afraid of being yelled

733
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,880
at and stuff like this and also they try

734
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,440
to act as though it is a position of

735
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,679
strength not to give these people air

736
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,919
because it's like well i'm above that

737
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,840
it's below me

738
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,840
well saying that everything is below you

739
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,159
that's why people hate you because

740
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,799
you're not relatable you're not

741
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,559
you're not accessible

742
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,720
and and coming this whole ivory tower

743
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,840
[\h__\h]

744
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,760
it's just it's just rather obnoxious and

745
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,760
i do feel like it it's hurting us in a

746
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,640
way

747
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,000
we can get an adamant flat earther and

748
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,000
an adamant uh

749
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,000
whatever else

750
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,400
none yeah and we can get them in a room

751
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
and have them have a friendly

752
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,360
conversation and even if they don't

753
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:11,039
prove or disprove anything there could

754
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,159
be you know

755
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,799
there might be merit to both sides and

756
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,880
to the arguments because there are some

757
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
arguments that i do feel are very good

758
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,120
arguments

759
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,520
and instead the response is well

760
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,279
you know it's like

761
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,679
well you're just dumb type of thing it's

762
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,679
sort of an accusation and a dismissal

763
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,440
and not really an answer

764
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,919
and we're not here because we want

765
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,000
you know we want to be right

766
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,640
or or we're here because we want answers

767
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,799
even if if you know our theories and

768
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,039
stuff are wrong we want to know what the

769
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,640
correct answer is we you know we're

770
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,240
curious that's like the key word that

771
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,600
you're saying so the cornerstone is

772
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,039
we're curious

773
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,400
type of thing

774
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,919
and i i told him that when he first

775
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,600
started i said the conversation no

776
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,039
matter what it is two polarizing things

777
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,440
it could be anything political whatever

778
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,440
and it's it happens in such a

779
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,279
disingenuous manner they're like oh you

780
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,720
believe in the flat earth oh and they

781
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,240
just relate it to something else or you

782
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,640
believe in the the globe oh you're such

783
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,240
an idiot it's like

784
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,080
i would like to see it come down like

785
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,760
you're saying just said let's have an

786
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,480
educated conversation because i enjoy

787
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,640
educated well thought out give and take

788
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,240
conversations and they don't even have

789
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,880
to agree but if they just have that i i

790
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,760
love it

791
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760
and i to be fair guys i talked to david

792
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,679
after we ended

793
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,919
and uh i did

794
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,000
say and he's open to it i said i got a

795
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,799
buddy who's who teaches and he's an

796
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,640
earth and science teacher he'd probably

797
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,679
be willing one there's another one i'd

798
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:37,120
look at as a professor and i asked him i

799
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,080
said would you ever be willing to come

800
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,320
back and he said absolutely so if i can

801
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,320
set that up i would i would love to do

802
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,840
that and do one with them do one with

803
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,799
him separate so if we pee at the

804
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,919
beginning people want to watch and say

805
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,360
hey you guys can go watch their separate

806
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,880
videos as to why they believe why they

807
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,039
don't and then that one we do will just

808
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,440
be them sitting down to just here's some

809
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,640
here are the top 10 things we're going

810
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,080
to go over and just let them have the

811
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,600
conversation now that we can keep up

812
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,200
with the chat because

813
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,799
we needed more wrenches in there i feel

814
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,360
bad ben joe if you guys are watching get

815
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,960
throw some wrenches to people i can't

816
00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:06,559
hand them out i can't give i can't give

817
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,300
wrenches out i only can go live for you

818
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,960
[Laughter]

819
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,360
ben won't give me a wrench

820
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,279
ben will give you a wrench

821
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,120
no he knows i'll hit someone with it he

822
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,039
don't trust me

823
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,960
oh man uh thank you very much by the way

824
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,960
melissa i am excited guys i didn't even

825
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,000
get to talk about that to be getting an

826
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,679
episode dang it i forgot it was all

827
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,520
frazzled we were dude we were struggling

828
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,360
for like 20 minutes to get started it

829
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,559
was bad

830
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,799
um melissa says she needs a wrench heck

831
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,240
yeah we've seen what you can do in

832
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,159
steve's and steve's channel

833
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,399
but the um yeah guys i'm excited excited

834
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,440
if anybody's checking this out for some

835
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:42,159
reason um yeah sorry man second weekend

836
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,360
of december that's gonna be that's gonna

837
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,279
be good times jon hudson and then jama

838
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,520
jade uh which melissa i believe you know

839
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,600
gemma jade probably i would assume right

840
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,360
and um it's gonna be good times it's

841
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,399
gonna be a lot more like what we did

842
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,919
last week having

843
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,880
we're still playing it all out but

844
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,919
there's definitely a lot more

845
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,159
interaction with the listeners bringing

846
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,919
them on i'm really excited for that

847
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,440
aspect of it like call me up tell me

848
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,279
about the time that you've seen that you

849
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,720
know crazy thing that you couldn't

850
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,559
explain in this guy you know

851
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,799
she's got a great she's got a great uh

852
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,159
i'm really interested in getting her

853
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,080
book and i would love to reach out and

854
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,520
talk to her about faye and stuff like

855
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,360
that because 100

856
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,720
that that's one of those things that i'm

857
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,559
really getting into

858
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,240
i love the face stuff a little bit i've

859
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,440
been getting into it like it's like i

860
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,880
mean i got a lot of scottish in me and

861
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,640
stuff that's where my family's from and

862
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,399
and a lot of irish too so there's a lot

863
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,279
of that

864
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,640
background in that area anyways um and

865
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,039
it is fascinating to me that all around

866
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,960
the world even if it's not exactly the

867
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,760
same there's these legends you know the

868
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,039
lore of

869
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,880
of the fairy creatures or something in

870
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,480
the woods you know

871
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,559
and to me it's it's i don't know man

872
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,480
it's so curious like that um what's the

873
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,080
name of that forest in japan have you

874
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,440
ever heard of this forest yeah the

875
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120
suicide forest i i forget what it's

876
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,799
called but it's

877
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:54,640
it's it's basically famous for being the

878
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,950
yeah i remember when logan paul went

879
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,480
down he was either one of the fall

880
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,159
brothers went down there you know had

881
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,080
some antics and supposedly they found a

882
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,080
body and then like teabagged it or some

883
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,919
[\h__\h] like that oh geez and we're just

884
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,520
being absolutely belligerent to the

885
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,360
people in the culture and and had like a

886
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,440
huge push back on that

887
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,360
but you know i mean it is a real thing

888
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,760
and i know it's more of a uh sort of uh

889
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,399
macabre tourist spot but you know i mean

890
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,679
the fact that there is so much of it

891
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,480
there it is rather fascinating

892
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,679
yeah

893
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,399
no that is something that you i mean

894
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,559
is that something that uh on your own

895
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,840
art has asian culture or japanese uh

896
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,600
culture affected your art in some way do

897
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,520
you think a little bit yeah i mean the

898
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,559
every single um cult every single uh

899
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,799
culture has their own you know set of

900
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,960
mantras their own cast of monsters and

901
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,360
and stuff like that and the asian and

902
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,840
filipino and more of the

903
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,960
of the

904
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,919
pacific islander type of of

905
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,679
of creatures and stuff like they're all

906
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,000
endlessly fascinating and some of them

907
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,520
are so much drastically different than

908
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,679
what we have i mean because everything

909
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,039
you know you go to all the continents

910
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,559
you're going to find a variant of

911
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,640
bigfoot you're going to find a variant

912
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,399
of a dragon you're going to find a

913
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,760
variant of giants you're going to find a

914
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,440
variant of

915
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,559
sort of

916
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,440
gray hag type sleep paralysis creature

917
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,440
type of thing and they have those as

918
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,360
well but those are so theirs are so

919
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,760
vastly different oh and by the way i got

920
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,960
to point this out every single time i

921
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,720
mentioned bigfoot there there are no

922
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,720
bigfoots in freaking hawaii apparently

923
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,919
they're they're bad swimmers

924
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,760
there was um who was that one that lin

925
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,200
had on you remember that sonny she had

926
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,720
somebody on it

927
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
maybe a month ago he was from hawaii and

928
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,200
he had a lot of really interesting

929
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:43,919
lore related to to hawaii yeah they have

930
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:47,039
the menehune yeah mm-hmm

931
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,840
and then didn't you have

932
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:52,080
leprechauns right which is but like

933
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,360
i mean they're all kind of creepy a

934
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:55,039
little bit

935
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,000
maybe allegedly could how do we know

936
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,799
that's honey allegedly allegedly well i

937
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,919
don't want to say that for you that's

938
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:06,159
your story that's that's something

939
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,880
that's

940
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,760
something climbing that cliff

941
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,519
yeah everything's creepy to you big

942
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:12,640
willy

943
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:13,519
i

944
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:22,880
beard that's red for me

945
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,080
it's only the beard i don't snatch souls

946
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,919
i just bring i don't know the effects of

947
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,760
what a redhead brings the table without

948
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,600
without the soul snatching and if i did

949
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,519
i'd repair your soul and give it back

950
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:34,559
right

951
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,350
oh man

952
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,559
heck yeah

953
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,840
we'll tell you what guys if no one else

954
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,440
wants to jump on if nobody else has it

955
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,799
anyone added that i just wanted to see

956
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,320
if anybody wanted to

957
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,000
you know say hey guys you totally missed

958
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,440
this you should have asked this and i

959
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,799
know there was tons of stuff we could

960
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,559
have we could have uh

961
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,480
we could have hit him on um i was kind

962
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,600
of taking it easy on him in the

963
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,200
beginning there i probably should have

964
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,279
gone a little harder on him but

965
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:03,120
he says he says he was telling me did

966
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,159
you guys hear when he leaned and he was

967
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,519
like it's okay william i know you're a

968
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,200
flat earther you're safe with me and

969
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:08,559
then you like leaned back out and kept

970
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,470
made me laugh

971
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,230
i'll go ahead sonny

972
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,320
oh no go ahead go ahead

973
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:23,039
oh i was just gonna say i i i think i

974
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,000
enjoy

975
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,519
um

976
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,919
discussing anything that's it's

977
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,000
outlandish and

978
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,760
one can definitely say

979
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,559
uh flat earth is outlandish but like i

980
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:36,240
said i think if it wasn't the word flat

981
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,120
earth i guess that's what i was trying

982
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,799
to head out a little bit if it was

983
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,799
something else

984
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,440
but it was relative to this without that

985
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,320
term

986
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,240
i think people would at least hear it

987
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,120
out

988
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
and what got me back on board was the

989
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,640
whole psyops crap that was going on with

990
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,240
the flatter society website it's

991
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,519
ridiculous they're wet they put out a

992
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,720
video every week that it proves the

993
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,399
earth's round they say right across

994
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,840
their headline we have members all

995
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,159
across the globe

996
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,760
all around the globe all around the

997
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,679
globe thank you thank you very much so

998
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:05,120
it's like

999
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,360
at other stuff we know they've covered

1000
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,360
up stuff in relation to crafts that have

1001
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,760
crashed alien possibly even bodies i

1002
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,480
would say for sure um and and there's

1003
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,240
other areas that what they've done to

1004
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,679
their own people what they've done on

1005
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,600
american citizens canadian

1006
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,600
citizens south america

1007
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,200
this is stuff that's been going on and

1008
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,799
has even been released through like the

1009
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,440
freedom of information act

1010
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,760
why is it so far-fetched to believe this

1011
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,000
one yeah i mean there is that sort of

1012
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,320
issue of presumed trust

1013
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,600
yeah we should trust these people

1014
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,799
because they are the absolute

1015
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,799
authorities and and because of that you

1016
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,279
know we have to basically give them all

1017
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,960
of our they they

1018
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,120
they haven't earned it but for some

1019
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,760
reason they're entitled to it and even

1020
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,600
though there have been various instances

1021
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,399
of the government doing nefarious things

1022
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,120
in the past be it mk ultra or the

1023
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,000
tuskegee experiments etc you know but

1024
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,399
for some reason we have to believe at

1025
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,399
all times that they have our best

1026
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,480
interest in mind and we have to you know

1027
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,560
bend over and take it from them no

1028
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,480
matter what you know and if we don't

1029
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,800
then we're anti-american and i think

1030
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,119
just my personal side here i think a

1031
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,560
reason that a lot of the whole flat

1032
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,359
earth stuff got a lot of the

1033
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,000
the you know uh

1034
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,679
hate that it did from mainstream was

1035
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,280
because a lot of the people that it was

1036
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,520
gravitating a lot of these uh

1037
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:29,919
uh i would say more christian more chad

1038
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:32,839
type individuals a sort of beer drinking

1039
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,399
uh pick up truck wearing you know uh

1040
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,280
people

1041
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,599
that when [\h__\h] goes to you're not gonna

1042
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,879
go to the government you're gonna go to

1043
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,240
these guys for answers you're gonna go

1044
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,839
to these guys for

1045
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,599
for a structure and stuff like that

1046
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,399
because you want to you know because

1047
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,839
they've shown themselves to be you know

1048
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,679
independent and reliable and stuff like

1049
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,359
that and because it was attracting that

1050
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,520
quote unquote type i think that's why

1051
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,760
flat earth you know they the

1052
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,320
mainstream came hard into it because

1053
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,960
mainstream is it's a bunch of nerds they

1054
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,960
didn't earn it they were appointed it

1055
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,400
and no matter how hard they tried they

1056
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,400
will never be cool these these are

1057
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,920
people who have to put themselves in

1058
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,160
front of you to make you like them

1059
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,400
when in all honesty in high school they

1060
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,000
would have been stuffed in a locker and

1061
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,760
and they would have had to sit alone at

1062
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,040
the at the lunch table and stuff like

1063
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,520
that but it's just this sort of you know

1064
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,839
obnoxiousness that i sort of feel like

1065
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,079
is extending into you know our

1066
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,920
mainstream culture basically

1067
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,320
social media has turned all of us into

1068
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:32,320
into basically the world has now become

1069
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,589
i could see that right it is all about

1070
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,680
the ratings everything's

1071
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,520
you know when i got changed around that

1072
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,520
was that was a massive issue when the

1073
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,440
media changed some of that stuff from

1074
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,720
uh what did you guys think though

1075
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,160
because ben always he just he's never

1076
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,280
told me to do this but i know he always

1077
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,079
try so i got you ben what what do uh

1078
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:53,280
what did you guys think of his answer

1079
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,160
were you guys in the room and he gave

1080
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,880
his answer on aliens

1081
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,960
but what no i i missed it i would have

1082
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,400
that's okay i know it was kind of early

1083
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,320
on it was early on so he he brought that

1084
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:04,000
one up pretty quick

1085
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,280
is that when he said they came from the

1086
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:08,800
outer ring the outer space i mean yeah

1087
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,750
but what did you think of that i mean is

1088
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:16,640
that

1089
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,280
crafts get here so easy

1090
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,520
we're sort of like already like looking

1091
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,440
for an alternative means of explaining

1092
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,119
aliens already

1093
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,560
because we're starting to believe that

1094
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,320
you know i mean just look at the rise in

1095
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,400
ultra-terrestrials and stuff like that

1096
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,640
the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis the the

1097
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,119
extraterrestrial hypothesis you know

1098
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,280
it's it's still out there but you know

1099
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,200
we have this sort of because the the

1100
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,520
planets are so far apart and so vast

1101
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,400
that if these people can bend time and

1102
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,960
space to come and get to us

1103
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,880
you know from these vast

1104
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,800
uh lands and stuff like that you know

1105
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,240
it's like well why are they making so

1106
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,839
many screw-ups and stuff like that if

1107
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,680
they can bend the time and space again

1108
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,560
time

1109
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,480
so they can just show up when and

1110
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,560
wherever they want do their thing and

1111
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,160
then go back to it

1112
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,079
but because we keep seeing you know a

1113
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,320
trail and stuff like that everywhere you

1114
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,280
know

1115
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,640
and then i think there are alternatives

1116
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,079
series that like a lot of these people

1117
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,520
they could be from you know quote

1118
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,200
unquote the inner earth

1119
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,359
or or some type of and i think that sort

1120
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,560
of lends

1121
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,440
to

1122
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:22,079
um the flat earth as well because you

1123
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,200
know well

1124
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,359
what else i mean if the earth is flat

1125
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,040
then of course there's going to be an in

1126
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,880
inner there's going to be stuff you know

1127
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,599
under the surface you know that other

1128
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,280
stuff can come out of

1129
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,960
type of thing so the the the inner earth

1130
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,200
you know usos and stuff like that i can

1131
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,960
see that being you know flat earth

1132
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:43,119
friendly as well

1133
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,240
now what did you guys think of him

1134
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,560
bringing up admiral byrd and using that

1135
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,079
as part of his

1136
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,760
evidence or

1137
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,280
proof of

1138
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,960
there being this extraterrestrial or

1139
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,280
this extra territory yeah i i don't know

1140
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,720
about that i know that

1141
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,720
bird was more of a hollow earth thing

1142
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,400
but i don't know if hollow earth and

1143
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,560
flat earth are sort of

1144
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,240
uh cannibalizing each other now you're

1145
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,920
gonna have to explain that to me

1146
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
so um the kind of the background with

1147
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:09,599
that and it's something that i believe

1148
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,640
not always but like in in the in the um

1149
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,920
i don't want to say all of you apology

1150
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,359
but like ben and joe hit on this quite a

1151
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,040
bit essentially and you guys forget this

1152
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:19,040
wrong somehow apologize i believe forgot

1153
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,480
the right person here

1154
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,760
is that uh he he went out on a um he was

1155
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,359
trying to navigate to something he was

1156
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,599
doing he was already out there uh they

1157
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,440
were supposed to go to the north pole

1158
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,359
or antarctica excuse me when they

1159
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,560
believed that there was chance that

1160
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,640
maybe the nazis had fled there a little

1161
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,640
bit with some of the u-boats as well as

1162
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,400
to south america so they would clean up

1163
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,079
some of the remnants of those left over

1164
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,640
from world war world war ii

1165
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,040
and he gets his butt kicked essentially

1166
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,520
and got sent home and said that listen

1167
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,960
we need a lot more than what i was sent

1168
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,880
with but in that process at one point

1169
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,680
too

1170
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,240
he was flying his plane

1171
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
and

1172
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,880
he's all the stuff starts going off he

1173
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,800
can't because obviously you know your

1174
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,400
your compass doesn't work very well up

1175
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,760
there but it's gyroscope and some other

1176
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,880
things shut off

1177
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,720
and he gets all of a sudden

1178
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,200
he's flying he said it was like snow

1179
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,640
caps and all this stuff and then it was

1180
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,640
like foggy if i remember correctly and

1181
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,160
his his diary

1182
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,680
then it was like tropical stuff and he

1183
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,320
ran into the venusians and yeah etcetera

1184
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,200
and adventure ensued and yeah the the

1185
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,200
who are they called not the venusians it

1186
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,040
might be the same term but the

1187
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,960
like the i was going to say the nordics

1188
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,240
but

1189
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,920
specifically the venusians in the

1190
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,119
resistance

1191
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,960
and essentially

1192
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,079
that's

1193
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,839
when he went back and asked for

1194
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,520
information too and why he couldn't

1195
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,800
have more information on what was going

1196
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,880
on being the admiral of the entire fleet

1197
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,480
at that time they told him that was that

1198
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:44,800
uh i was above his need to know

1199
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,599
why

1200
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,040
what was going on in antarctica and some

1201
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,440
of that so i don't know i i think there

1202
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,200
is something to that treaty and they

1203
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,800
don't play around with it if you guys go

1204
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,359
watch a video it's called um

1205
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,040
sorry you can't go to antarctica

1206
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,800
antarctica's closed i believe you type

1207
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,240
in those exact words that'll actually

1208
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,079
pull it out for you or you can go on

1209
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,920
dave's app for three dollars i'm just

1210
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,640
kidding um but it is on his app i will

1211
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,920
admit if you're trying to find flat air

1212
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:10,079
stuff they've saved some time for you of

1213
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
course

1214
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,040
but in the video he this guy was a

1215
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:15,200
lawyer he's an actual lawyer and he and

1216
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,079
this is what i appreciate about what he

1217
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,920
did he was an expert in his area of work

1218
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,720
right

1219
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,359
and he went through all the the

1220
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,839
legal jargon of it and they said it will

1221
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,760
be anywhere from 250 000 to a couple

1222
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,040
million depending on where you're at in

1223
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:29,359
the world trying to do an expedition

1224
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,800
to south or to antarctica independently

1225
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,560
of traveling with their scientific

1226
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,000
science team

1227
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,440
and what they'll do is they'll approve a

1228
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,200
lot of your permits

1229
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,720
and it takes a year year and a half or

1230
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,880
whatever and once they do that once you

1231
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,920
get to the time of the trip they'll

1232
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,599
cancel the permits at the end and

1233
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,440
they'll keep your money they won't give

1234
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,680
it back either that or they'll go or

1235
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,839
they'll take you or you get to see what

1236
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,920
they show you type of thing

1237
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,280
you know you're never going to go beyond

1238
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,599
the velvet ropes type of [\h__\h] right i

1239
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,200
mean you know you know and and there's a

1240
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,960
lot of real-world political stuff that

1241
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,599
happens that leads credence to those uh

1242
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,280
antarctic conspiracies and stuff like

1243
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,359
that and i i totally get it but i do

1244
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,760
love the idea that you know that that

1245
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,839
you know that we have these penguin

1246
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,760
overlords who are sort of you know

1247
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:16,720
dictating us that after the the

1248
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,520
after the trump victory character was

1249
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,200
secretary kerry had to go down there and

1250
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,720
he came back with a black eye because

1251
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,079
one of the penguins punched him in the

1252
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,880
face you know how could you let him win

1253
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,720
he told you who was supposed to win how

1254
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,870
yeah because it got punched in the eye

1255
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,280
by uh by uh one of the penguin overlords

1256
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,520
type of thing uh i can totally see that

1257
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:41,280
happening what's this question here what

1258
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,079
if

1259
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,599
loop where 2d

1260
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,790
ending stacking one um like a pyramid

1261
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:54,319
um

1262
00:42:11,270 --> 00:41:55,280
i

1263
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,280
humans

1264
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
is that like the fourth dimension would

1265
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,880
just appear to you because you

1266
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,839
can't we cannot perceive it so we would

1267
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,520
not see how it operates so we would

1268
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,560
therefore appear or in front of you

1269
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,480
essentially there's a couple videos on

1270
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,079
youtube that try to explain like the

1271
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,839
different dimensions how they break down

1272
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,720
but i don't know do you guys think

1273
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,599
there's a better way of answering

1274
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,359
champ's question there yeah it's

1275
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,680
something out there called flat land you

1276
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,280
and it's not related to flat earth it's

1277
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,599
just a it's just a hypothetical model

1278
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,000
that's used to explain you know 2d to 3d

1279
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,839
and how things work out there that what

1280
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,440
we see is a sphere they would see the

1281
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:45,040
only the edges and perceive it as a

1282
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,000
circle

1283
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,839
and things like that

1284
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,119
yeah

1285
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,680
i don't know like i said to me i think

1286
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,359
with i don't know if they wanted to put

1287
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,119
the thing to bed i'm sure they could is

1288
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,720
my point i guess if they really wanted

1289
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,960
this done and over with i feel like they

1290
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,800
have the resources to come out and and

1291
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,760
like they're saying right here they're

1292
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,200
talking about i think there are cruises

1293
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,960
to antarctica but not specifically to

1294
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,440
the research bases there yeah

1295
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,359
excuse me um which by the way guys if

1296
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:10,240
everybody wasn't there that was

1297
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,280
challenging him with great questions

1298
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,720
that was all about that i mean he wants

1299
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,480
those two i'll give him that credit i

1300
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,240
mean i don't necessarily think everybody

1301
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,359
agrees with his answers but he

1302
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,440
definitely welcomes the questions

1303
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,960
um

1304
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,560
he definitely welcomes them even if he

1305
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,839
puts on the glasses it says cool story

1306
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,560
bro yeah

1307
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,240
and he's always got it he's always got

1308
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,720
an answer you know even if it's just you

1309
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,440
know hey go to my app type of thing

1310
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,960
you know he's always i at least

1311
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,200
respected he at least shows up you know

1312
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,760
he does he does show up and i mean god i

1313
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:41,200
think he did i was his fourth interview

1314
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,160
of the day

1315
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,400
so i mean if you're a podcaster out

1316
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,160
there or something you know reach out to

1317
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,319
him it took a while i had to book him

1318
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,240
like a month and a half out

1319
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:52,640
or maybe more but he's willing to

1320
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,839
usually come on and hang out with you

1321
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,599
and chat and i think that if you're

1322
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,760
someone who who can be a bit you know

1323
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,880
like chris famous you'd be a great one

1324
00:44:01,109 --> 00:44:00,160
to interview him far as being a little

1325
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:01,119
more

1326
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,240
uh

1327
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,079
to the to the point on it you know i'm

1328
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,359
usually a little too nice with people

1329
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,880
but i like to hear them i hear them out

1330
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,079
with his thing it's a little different

1331
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,920
because it's not exactly an interview

1332
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,520
process he needs someone who's going to

1333
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,200
challenge him a little more yeah i would

1334
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,800
love to in the future i would love to

1335
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,800
talk to him you know but i wouldn't

1336
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,800
debate flat earth with him i just want

1337
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,040
to talk to him about the the structure

1338
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,119
of the debate and why

1339
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,520
it's a no-no topic and and it's more of

1340
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,680
the merits of the conversation than

1341
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,079
the actual conversation itself

1342
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,079
yeah that's where i would go with it

1343
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,680
by the way i am seeing quite a few new

1344
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,680
people in here um you guys thank you for

1345
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,880
checking out the channel if you hopped

1346
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,040
on if you wouldn't mind liking the video

1347
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,640
or i'm sorry liking the channel and

1348
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,319
maybe subscribing that'd be awesome ben

1349
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,000
and joe this is the ben and joe's show

1350
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,599
the ufo garage podcast where they're all

1351
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,280
about aliens ufos

1352
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,520
and all things weird i'd really

1353
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,040
appreciate that

1354
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,880
um but yeah i can't thank you for

1355
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,240
anything else and i know i gotta i

1356
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,599
should have gone to bed about 20 minutes

1357
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,680
ago anyways uh but

1358
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,760
i got nothing more here we are right

1359
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,119
yeah me either

1360
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,800
chad my goodness sonny do you have

1361
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,680
anything you want to add to this

1362
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,240
no man no that was good um other than uh

1363
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,760
if you get that guy back on i want to

1364
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,240
know because i want to see it again

1365
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,319
or i'm gonna have to go look because

1366
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,680
i'm gonna have to go at least watch the

1367
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,839
first 15 minutes i missed or whatever it

1368
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,319
was because yeah

1369
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,480
hey sonny before you go yeah should i

1370
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,160
pet your dog nobody

1371
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,280
all right i want to put your dog on the

1372
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,990
she's stuffed i didn't want to bury her

1373
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,280
when she passed away i didn't want to

1374
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,880
get rid of her so that's just a stuff

1375
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,680
dog

1376
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,599
okay cool then she doesn't fight no not

1377
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:37,839
really not really she's alive guys

1378
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:42,870
all right

1379
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,560
well first of all guys go check out uh

1380
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,000
sunny and

1381
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,480
lit blade lewis uh this coming friday

1382
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,720
the paranormal chop shop every

1383
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,520
9 00 p.m eastern time zone at 6 p.m

1384
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,960
pacific

1385
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,720
whatever daylight time

1386
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,720
yeah

1387
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,800
6 p.m pdt

1388
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,839
chris

1389
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,520
yes

1390
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,359
i'm on you can find me on conspire

1391
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,240
theory uh anywhere you can find podcasts

1392
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,560
you know find me on on

1393
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,640
instagram at conspire theory underscore

1394
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,000
between all the words or twitter at just

1395
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:20,079
conspire theory all one word and i'll be

1396
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,880
there

1397
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,440
100 and i feel bad i totally knew that

1398
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,800
part i was gonna do that part for you

1399
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,240
what i was gonna say is what time zone

1400
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,359
are you in i'm sorry i didn't want you

1401
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:28,400
to think i didn't know what your name

1402
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,430
because you're are we in the same or

1403
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,280
you're one hour behind yeah i think i

1404
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:37,760
don't i i forget i i don't know it's 12

1405
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,800
23 am here for me so but okay i'm one

1406
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,560
hour behind sunday night we're talking

1407
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,680
about today for us like some of the

1408
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,920
mandela effect stuff i swear guys and

1409
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,680
now i guess i'm wrong i've got to eat

1410
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,040
crow on this

1411
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,280
but i swear it used to be called

1412
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,680
eastern central time zone

1413
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,560
and there's no such thing mine was

1414
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,680
specific pacific standard time zone and

1415
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,480
now it's pdt

1416
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,760
that's why i was asking chris do you

1417
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,280
remember something else yeah that's

1418
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
weird for you i think a lot of the i

1419
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,520
just another my own conspiracy theory i

1420
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,599
think a lot of the mandela effect stuff

1421
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,240
is just to cover for google rewriting

1422
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,160
our history and [\h__\h] like that because

1423
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,240
where do we go to find this [\h__\h] out we

1424
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,640
we pop up the google and say hey google

1425
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,000
tell me what i'm supposed to know it's

1426
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,520
like well this is what you should think

1427
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,359
this because they're redefining the

1428
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,800
words all the goddamn time and

1429
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,119
redefining everything and it's like now

1430
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,040
i think racism has been rewritten as

1431
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,960
well as you know uh fascist and all this

1432
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,200
stuff like yeah just to say what they

1433
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
want it to mean when they're screaming

1434
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
it at people that protests and [\h__\h] like

1435
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,720
that and it's just rather obnoxious but

1436
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,680
anyways i i think that's that's how most

1437
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,559
of mandela is explained away but as far

1438
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,240
as the other stuff yeah i do think that

1439
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,760
is pretty spooky

1440
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,040
thank you

1441
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,400
all right gentlemen well i'm gonna get

1442
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,000
you guys out of here thank you for

1443
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,520
hopping on thank you for those that were

1444
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,800
in the chat tonight and if you like i

1445
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,480
said you're watching this video don't

1446
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,079
forget if you haven't yet to hit like

1447
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,520
and subscribe and ring the bell that way

1448
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,880
you're notified even if i go live with

1449
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,559
zoom which will probably never ever

1450
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,079
happen again but if for some reason i do

1451
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,839
it will let you know

1452
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,440
and like we said you can check out the

1453
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,720
two gentlemen i have with me here and

1454
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,720
the places they have mentioned and we

1455
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,400
will be back dude i'm excited for next

1456
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,800
week saturday mr calvin parker that's

1457
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,240
gonna be a good time it's gonna be a fun

1458
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,520
story to dig into so alright guys stay

1459
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:22,640
curious

1460
00:49:01,020 --> 00:48:24,690
and keep it weird